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« Reply #135 on: Dec 23rd, 2017, 6:32pm »
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Watler, your incredebly fast. shocked

You where right about virtual memory, thanks a lot! I just found out that I can run DOS-boxes in Windows 3.1 Enhanced mode with temporary virtual memory setting enabled! cool
With permanent swapfile Windows cannot start.

Of cause I will try your new version of HDA2.DLL!

Long ago I played Prince of Persia 1 and 2... I found them back, they are playing fine in a DOS-box, but are saying "No digital sound". I don't think there is a Windows 3.1 universal soundcard emulator. I only found Windows 9x one's.
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« Reply #136 on: Dec 23rd, 2017, 8:43pm »
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There was a freeware Win32s Apple II emulator a Win16 Spectrum emulator, and even a win32s C64 emulator.
Prince of Persia might have sound on one of those.

Deomsh, I don't know if anyone has made a win16,win32s or win386 compatible port of those games.
Do you want to create a win3x game?

To make a DOS games play sound with a win 3.x driver, you would need a Win3.x compatible 8086 emulator.
Did you want me to start an x86 emulation forum topic?

Although it may be possible to create a *.TSR or *.VXD system that could emulate some sort of DOS/VM sound support, that would require a DOS programmer.

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« Reply #137 on: Dec 24th, 2017, 10:47am »
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I am not especially interested in gaming, although making your driver working in DOS-boxes is a nice subject. I tested only on behalf of your question sound was working in my DOS-boxes.

BTW: is your forum Win3x only? I ask because I did some prelimenary experiments using HDA2.DLL on Win9x. I'd like to share and discuss my findings.

Or do you think MSFN is the place to be? undecided
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« Reply #138 on: Dec 24th, 2017, 1:39pm »
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Deomsh, I am sorry to hear of your aversion to diversions.

This forum is not exclusive.
However, I do like 16-bit windows projects. grin

Although my drivers were created in and for windows 3.1, I have no objections to your using newer windows versons.
I would be happy to hear how you have used them.

Deomsh, this forum and my drivers are not secret.
You may share my drivers freely with anyone you like on any forum.

Is MSFN the place to be? huh
Does anyone at MSFN make windows 3.1 drivers?



I added forum post for discussion of 8086 emulation.
http://win3x.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=Emulated&action=display&num=1514158371

The world could always use a fresh Prince of Persia game.
If you change your mind, just let me know
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« Reply #139 on: Dec 26th, 2017, 09:21am »
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In my opinion win3x.conforums is the place to be, I only ment just in case, IF you don't like Win9x experiments. rolleyes

Do you like to start a new thread to discuss Win9x experiments?

Lately I had some "502 Bad Gateway" problems when trying to download your new driver, but today I succeeded. HDA2.DLL version 9i runs fine, and with hdacfg.ini setting: mytimer=0, as you described , I have no problems with DOS-boxes anymore when disabling virtual memory in Enhanced mode.

Sound is okay in Windows standard mode with HDARUN.EXE & <Loop>. Thanks a lot for all your efforts. smiley
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« Reply #140 on: Dec 26th, 2017, 3:25pm »
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Standard Mode should play sound properly with the default mytimer settings.
You should only need mytimer to equal zero when using Enhanced Mode with Virtual Memory disabled.
If the mmsystem timer is not enabled, your Virtual DOS Machines should not crash.

The host Turkey4me found is not the best.
If you find a nice free win3x compatible ftp or webhost, I'll mirror the files there for you.

As long as the experiments are relevant to the subject at hand, this is the right forum and the right place.
Have you some new win9x drivers that you wish to discuss?

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« Reply #141 on: Dec 27th, 2017, 04:24am »
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I only want to discuss Win9x experiments with HDA2.DLL.

Lately I googled on a different computer "Watler hda" to find your forum. First hit was a forum where you questioned a Windows 98 HDA driver (https://www.computing.net/answers/windows-95/is-there-a-high-definition-audio-driver-for-win98/171150.html). Maybe I have found one. wink
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« Reply #142 on: Dec 27th, 2017, 4:43pm »
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It could not hurt to try the suggestions given there.
Perhaps your luck will be better than mine.

Since my driver was not created for win9x, I fear it may work poorly on that system.
For win9x , a 99 cent sound card from china would probably work better.

Let me know what you find.

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« Reply #143 on: Dec 27th, 2017, 7:02pm »
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Watler, your HDA2.DLL is working on Windows 98SE! Even AHDA17L does. cheesy

Not working: with permanent swapfile, or without virtual memory.

Never worked for me: finding a memory location for busmastering, so I decided HDATSR.EXE is mandatory.

First: enable Windows 98SE Startup Sound.

Installation
After enabling High Definition Audio in the BIOS, Windows will identify a PCI-card. This PCI-card is needed for HDA2.DLL, so Wizard New Hardware must NEVER be cancelled, and afterwards do NOT disable the yellow-signed "PCI-Card" in Device Manager. shocked

First method: load HDATSR.EXE before starting Windows. When Windows is fully loaded, look if the yellow-signed "PCI-Card" resides Device Manager. Then Run "Add New Hardware Wizard" -> No -> No -> "Sound, Video and Game Controllers" -> "Ask Disk" and use the OEMSETUP.INF that comes with HDADRV9i (System Devices will NOT work!). The HDA2 DMA-address dialog will apear. Choose an option (OK or Close), but do NOT change the menory address. Then reboot and get your headphone. If you get a Windows protection error, use the three finger salute to move on. Afterwards "PCI-Card" in Device Manager will not change and the yellow sign will still be there!

Second method: Do NOT load HDATSR.EXE before starting Windows. Use GENHDA16.INF when Windows detects the new hardware, or later by "Update Driver" in Device Manager. huh
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Copy text between the lines below and paste in a text-editor like notepad and save as GENHDA16.INF
-------------------------------------------------------------------
;; GENHDA16.INF
;; 2017/12/31
;; "Watlers World" 16-bit High Definition Audio Driver
;; Win3x/Win9x only
;; (c) Copyright 2017 Deomsh

[Version]
Signature="$WINDOWS 95$"
Class=System
ClassGUID={4D36E97D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Provider=%W_W%
LayoutFile=LAYOUT.INF, LAYOUT1.INF, LAYOUT2.INF
DriverVer=12/23/2017,9i
;CatalogFile=genhda16.cat

[Manufacturer]
%GEN%=GEN.Mfg

[GEN.Mfg]
%GEN_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\CC_0403

[HDA2]
DelFiles=HDA2.DelFiles
CopyFiles=HDA2.CopyFiles,HDATSR.CopyFiles
UpdateInis=HDA2.UpdateInis
UpdateAutoBat=HDA2.UpdateAutoBat
Reboot

[HDA2.UpdateInis]
system.ini,drivers,,"wave9=hda2.dll",1

[HDA2.UpdateAutoBat]
CmdAdd=hdatsr.exe

[HDA2.CopyFiles]
hda2.dll,hda2.dll,hda2.000,1

[HDATSR.CopyFiles]
hdatsr.exe,,,1

[HDA2.DelFiles]
drvidx.bin,,,1
drvdata.bin,,,1

[DestinationDirs]
DefaultDestDir=11
HDATSR.CopyFiles=13

[SourceDisksNames]
1="Watlers_World HDA Driver Disk",,0

[SourceDisksFiles]
hda2.dll=1
hdatsr.exe=1

[Strings]
;Localized strings
W_W = "Watlers_World"
GEN = "GENERIC"
GEN_HDA.DeviceDesc = "High Definition Audio Controller"
SystemClassName = "System Devices" ; ENG
;SystemClassName = "Systeemapparaten" ; DUT
------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW: edited to improve [HDA2.UpdateInis]

When Windows decides to be ready with the installation, open Device Manager..... and Have Fun!

If you want a bit more information, try HDAWIN16.INF instead. tongue
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Copy text between the lines below and paste in a text-editor like notepad and save as HDAWIN16.INF
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;; HDAWIN16.INF
;; 2017/12/31
;; "Watlers World" 16-bit High Definition Audio Driver
;; Win3x/Win9x only
;; (c) Copyright 2017 Deomsh

[Version]
Signature="$WINDOWS 95$"
Class=System
ClassGUID={4D36E97D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Provider=%W_W%
LayoutFile=LAYOUT.INF, LAYOUT1.INF, LAYOUT2.INF
DriverVer=12/23/2017,9i
;CatalogFile=hdawin16.cat

[Manufacturer]
%GEN%=GEN.Mfg
%ATI%=ATI.Mfg
%AMD1%=AMD1.Mfg
%SIS%=SIS.Mfg
%NVAMD%=NVAMD.Mfg
%ULI%=ULI.Mfg
%VIA%=VIA.Mfg
;%RDCS%=RDCS.Mfg
;%Teradici%=Teradici.Mfg
%INTEL%=INTEL.Mfg

[GEN.Mfg]
%GEN_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\CC_0403

[ATI.Mfg]
%ATI_SB450_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_437B
%ATI_SB600_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4383
%ATI_RS600_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_793B
%ATI_RS690_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7919

[AMD1.Mfg]
;%AMD_HDA_768/8111.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_7445 ; AC97 (HDA unknown)
%AMD_HDA_17h.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1457

[SIS.Mfg]
%SIS_966_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1039&DEV_7502

[NVAMD.Mfg]
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP51.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_026C
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP55.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0371
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP61a.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03E4
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP61b.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F0
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP65a.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_044A
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP65b.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_044B
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP67a.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_055C
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP67b.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_055D
%NFORCE_HDA_MCP72/78.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0774
;%NFORCE_HDA_MCP78b.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0775 ; unknown
;%NFORCE_HDA_MCP78c.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0776 ; unknown
;%NFORCE_HDA_MCP78d.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0777 ; unknown
%NFORCE_HDA_GF108.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0BEA

[ULI.Mfg]
%ULI_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_10B9&DEV_5461

[VIA.Mfg]
%VIA_VT82xx_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3288

[RDCS.Mfg]
;%RDCS_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_17f3&DEV_ ; DEV is unkown!

[Teradici.Mfg]
;%Teradici.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_6549&DEV_1200 ; TERA1200 PC-over-IP Host

[INTEL.Mfg]
%C200_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C20
%C600_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1D20
%C126_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1E20
%ICH6_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2668
%ESB_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_269A
%ICH7_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_27D8
%ICH8_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_284B
%ICH9_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293E
%ICH10a_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A3E
%ICH10b_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3A6E
%3400_HDA.DeviceDesc%=HDA2,PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_3B56

[HDA2]
DelFiles=HDA2.DelFiles
CopyFiles=HDA2.CopyFiles,HDATSR.CopyFiles
UpdateInis=HDA2.UpdateInis
UpdateAutoBat=HDA2.UpdateAutoBat
Reboot

[HDA2.UpdateInis]
system.ini,drivers,,"wave9=hda2.dll",1

[HDA2.UpdateAutoBat]
CmdAdd=hdatsr.exe

[HDA2.CopyFiles]
hda2.dll,hda2.dll,hda2.000,1

[HDATSR.CopyFiles]
hdatsr.exe,,,1

[HDA2.DelFiles]
drvidx.bin,,,1
drvdata.bin,,,1

[DestinationDirs]
DefaultDestDir=11
HDATSR.CopyFiles=13

[SourceDisksNames]
1="Watlers_World HDA Driver Disk",,0

[SourceDisksFiles]
hda2.dll=1
hdatsr.exe=1

[Strings]
;Localized strings
W_W = "Watlers_World"
GEN = "Generic"
ATI = "ATI Technologies Inc"
;AMD1 = "Advanced Micro Devices Inc."
SIS = "Silicon Integrated Systems"
NVAMD = "NVIDIA Corporation"
ULI = "ULi Electronics Inc."
VIA = "VIA Technologies, Inc."
RDCS = "RDC Semiconductor, Inc."
Teradici= "Teradici Corp."
INTEL= "INTEL Corporation"
GEN_HDA.DeviceDesc = "High Definition Audio Controller"
ATI_SB450_HDA.DeviceDesc = "ATI SB450 HD-Audio Controller"
ATI_SB600_HDA.DeviceDesc = "ATI SB600 HD-Audio Controller"
ATI_RS600_HDA.DeviceDesc = "ATI RS600 HD-Audio Controller"
ATI_RS690_HDA.DeviceDesc = "ATI RS690 HD-Audio Controller"
;AMD_HDA_768/8111.DeviceDesc = "AMD 768/8111 AC97 Controller"
AMD_HDA_17h.DeviceDesc = "AMD 17h HD-Audio Controller"
SIS_966_HDA.DeviceDesc = "SIS 966 HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP51.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP51 HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP55.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP55 HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP61a.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP61a HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP61b.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP61b HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP65a.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP65a HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP65b.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP65b HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP67a.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP67a HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP67b.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP67b HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_MCP72/78.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP78a HD-Audio Controller"
;NFORCE_HDA_MCP78b.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP78b HD-Audio Controller"
;NFORCE_HDA_MCP78c.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP78c HD-Audio Controller"
;NFORCE_HDA_MCP78d.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE MCP78d HD-Audio Controller"
NFORCE_HDA_GF108.DeviceDesc = "NFORCE F108 HD-Audio Controller"
ULI_HDA.DeviceDesc = "ULI HD-Audio Controller"
VIA_VT82xx_HDA.DeviceDesc = "VIA VT82xx HD-Audio Controller"
;RDCS_HDA.DeviceDesc = "RDCS HD-Audio Controller"
;Teradici.DeviceDesc = "Teradici HD-Audio Controller" ; ??
C200_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL C200 HD-Audio Controller"
C600_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL C600 HD-Audio Controller"
C126_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL C126 HD-Audio Controller"
ICH6_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL ICH6 HD-Audio Controller"
ICH7_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL ICH7 HD-Audio Controller"
ESB_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL ESB HD-Audio Controller"
ICH8_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL ICH8 HD-Audio Controller"
ICH9_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL ICH9 HD-Audio Controller"
ICH10a_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL ICH10r HD-Audio Controller"
ICH10b_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL ICH10 HD-Audio Controller"
3400_HDA.DeviceDesc = "INTEL 3400 HD-Audio Controller"
SystemClassName = "System Devices" ; ENG
;SystemClassName = "Systeemapparaten" ; DUT
-------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW: used HDA.PAS from AHDA17L and double-checked on https://vendev.org/pci/ven/

To be continued.... cool
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« Reply #144 on: Dec 29th, 2017, 8:10pm »
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Then, Windows 95 may also be able to use this driver.
Deomsh, Will the same *.inf file work for both 95 and 98?

I think that being able to manually edit the system.ini file is rather important.
On systems with multiple sound cards, the index of installed wave drivers can make a difference.

Do you have other sound cards you want to use at the same time?






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« Reply #145 on: Dec 30th, 2017, 07:46am »
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Hello Watler, your OEMSETUP.INF will be accepted by both Win3x and also by Win9x using First Method of installation. Windows 98SE will then automatically preserve existing "wave=" entries and give HDA2.DLL a higher wave-index. The Second Method *.INF-files (Win9x-only!) preserve only "wave=", but if "wave1=" must preserved because of another soundcard, set the index in UpdateInis one higher. Maximum is 9. There should be a way to do this automatically, but I have'nt found yet. I used http://www-pc.uni-regensburg.de/systemsw/TECHTOOL/w95/doc/INFDOC.HTM, maybe you can take a look.
BTW: I edited my inf-files a bit to "wave9=hda2.dll". Works too.

I am only testing Windows 98SE for now, but I am sure Windows 95 will accept all *.INF-files. Do you have acces to Windows 98SE?
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« Reply #146 on: Dec 30th, 2017, 3:23pm »
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I use win98 DOS for my 128gb windows 3.1 setup.
The first of your *.inf files removed the yellow icon and added a device to the system section. cool

You want a win98 HDA driver?
I think some boards had both AC97 and HDA.
There may have been some sort of support for your board.
Did you ask Realtek?

On systems that will not run win98, you may be able to use FreeDOS for larger drives.
Last time I checked, FreeDOS was able to run Windows 3.1 in Standard Mode .


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« Reply #147 on: Dec 30th, 2017, 6:37pm »
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There is no one.

Did you use GENHDA16.INF? What is the name of the driver in Device Manager?

Did you get sound already? Check system.ini,drivers first.

Your driver gives quite good sound-quality in my opinion, in Windows 98SE too.
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« Reply #148 on: Dec 31st, 2017, 12:06pm »
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Deomsh, what realm lies devoid?

I tried out your second *.inf file on another computer.
The MCP51 was added to the system section of device manager.
I only had to change the volume widget to $0C.

You are welcome to repackage the driver for win9x if you like.
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Hello Watler, Happy New Year smiley

I am still not fully satisfied with my inf-files. When installing your OEMSETUP.INF the Add New Hardware Wizard is more intelligent in case of setting a higher Wave-index-number than my UdateInis-script. Although adding HDA2.DLL with the "Wave9"-key (9 is the highest number) gives Windows 98SE no problems to load and use the driver, I puzzled out a more elegant solution.
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[HDA2.UpdateInis]
system.ini,drivers,"wave1=hda2.dll",,1 ; if exists, delete (in case using UpdateInis a second time)
system.ini,drivers,"wave1=*","wave2=*",2 ; shifts index one up if lower one exists
system.ini,drivers,,"wave1=hda2.dll",0 ; adds new entry ("0" can be omitted)
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This method allows for two existing wave-drivers, "wave" and "wave1". If "wave" does'nt exists, (my) Windows adds always "wave=mmsystem.dll", which will never hurts. Give it a try.

Regarding your "VolumeWidget"-correction, did you recognize the volume/balance sliders are working in Mediaplayer (the one that comes with Windows 98SE) WITHOUT setting the VolumeWidget to the right value? kiss
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